<div dir="ltr"><div> </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">2008/7/24 Don Morrison <<a href="mailto:dfm@ringing.org">dfm@ringing.org</a>>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div class="Ih2E3d">On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Ben Willetts <<a href="mailto:ben@benjw.org.uk">ben@benjw.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br>> Robin Woolley:<br>>> I once rang a 720 of PB6 in a tower which had the line clearly displayed.<br>
>> My non-compliant peal, if you like - or the last I can remember.<br>><br>> However many Decisions you rescind, I don't think claiming that a 720 is a<br>> peal is going to be accepted. :-)<br><br></div>
Back in the days Eddie Martin likes to harken to it was called a peal.<br></blockquote>
<div>
<div>The OED may be wrong (it's not unknown) but I think that they suggest the word you need is:</div>
<div><strong>2.</strong> <i>fig.</i> <a name="50102762se1"></a><b><i>to harp upon, on </i></b>(<i><b><img height="15" alt="{dag}" src="http://dictionary.oed.com/graphics/parser/gifs/mbbi/dag.gif" width="8" align="absBottom" border="0">of</b></i>)<i><b>, a, one, the same </b></i>(etc.)<i><b> string</b></i>: to repeat a statement or dwell on a subject to a wearisome or tedious length. </div>
<div class="qt"><a name="50102762q7"></a><b>1513</b> <a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/help/bib/oed2-m4.html#more" target="oedbib" color="#002653"><font color="#002653">M<small><font size="2">ORE</font></small></font></a> in Grafton <i>Chron.</i> (1568) II. 773 The Cardinall made a countenaunce to the Lord Haward that he should harpe no more upon that string. <a name="50102762q8"></a><b><i>c</i>1526</b> <a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/help/bib/oed2-f2.html#frith" target="oedbib" color="#002653"><font color="#002653">F<small><font size="2">RITH</font></small></font></a> <i>Disput. Purgat.</i> (1829) 117 See how he harpeth all of one string. <a name="50102762q9"></a><b>1625</b> <i>Gonsalvio's Sp. Inquis.</i> 13 They are sure still harping on their old string. <a name="50102762q10"></a><b>1685</b> <i>Refl. Baxter</i> 25 He harps much upon that jarring String. <a name="50102762q11"></a><b>1837</b> <a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/help/bib/oed2-c.html#carlyle" target="oedbib" color="#002653"><font color="#002653">C<small><font size="2">ARLYLE</font></small></font></a> <i>Fr. Rev.</i> II. <font size="2"><small>V</small>. vi. (1872) 198 Harping mainly on the religious string.</font></div>
<a name="50102762def3"></a>
<p> <a name="50102762-m3"></a><b>3.</b> Hence, <a name="50102762se2"></a><b><i>to harp on</i></b>, <a name="50102762se3"></a><b><i>upon</i></b>, (<a name="50102762se4"></a><b><i><img height="15" alt="{dag}" src="http://dictionary.oed.com/graphics/parser/gifs/mbbi/dag.gif" width="8" align="absBottom" border="0">of</i></b>, <a name="50102762se5"></a><b><i>about</i></b>): to dwell wearisomely upon in speech or writing.
<div class="qt"><a name="50102762q12"></a><b>1562</b> <i>Apol. Priv. Masse</i> (1850) 19 The great matter you harp on. <a name="50102762q13"></a><b>1602</b> <a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/help/bib/oed2-s2.html#shakes" target="oedbib" color="#002653"><font color="#002653">S<font size="2"><small>HAKES</small>.</font></font></a> <i>Ham.</i> <font size="2"><small>II</small>. ii. 189 Still harping on my daughter. </font><a name="50102762q14"></a><b>1634</b> <a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/help/bib/oed2-h2.html#sir-t-herbert" target="oedbib" color="#002653"><font color="#002653">S<font size="2"><small>IR</small> T. H<small>ERBERT</small></font></font></a> <i>Trav.</i> 103 This word revenge he still harpt upon. <a name="50102762q15"></a><b>1712</b> <a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/help/bib/oed2-s4.html#steele" target="oedbib" color="#002653"><font color="#002653">S<small><font size="2">TEELE</font></small></font></a> <i>Spect.</i> No. 504 <img height="14" alt="{page}" src="http://dictionary.oed.com/graphics/parser/gifs/sp/page.gif" width="12" align="absBottom" border="0">2 Ever harping upon things they ought not to allude to. <a name="50102762q16"></a><b>1837</b> <a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/help/bib/oed2-d2.html#disraeli" target="oedbib" color="#002653"><font color="#002653">D<small><font size="2">ISRAELI</font></small></font></a> <i>Venetia</i> <font size="2"><small>II</small>. x, Still harping of her father.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div> to 'harken to' appears to be an old way of saying to listen to. ;-)</div>
<div><br>Actually I am very interested in all of change-ringing's history & feel that ringing in Stedman's day was not unlike ringing in the years covered by my life span in that in both instances, ringers were trying out new stuff. In his day, it was all bran new. If it caught on. as per his principle and (oh dear) Grandsire & plain Bob and Treble Bob, then it stuck. If it didn't, like so many Plain Change methods & Jumping changes, then it didn;t stick. We have yet to see how permament are Variable Cover, Differentials, & Cyclic etc.</div>
<div>From the days of William Shipway, who tried to catalogue and pigeon-hole the various methods rung in his day, to modern Central Council Decisions & definitions, it seems to me that there has been a frustrating struggle between what ringers preder & what the 'Authority' says that they ought to prefer. Time & again, the Central Council has tried gradually to catagorise the stuff we ring, which in the main has been even bell methods. I think they have done a pretty good job on the whole BUT there are anomolies which just do not make sense, particularly in trying to have a Universal code book for both even & odd-bell methods on all numbers.</div>
<div>As someone just recently remarked, he thinks of a method as being a round block and obviously, merely starting with rounds at a different place in the round block does not yield a new method, but, as I have demonstrated it is very possible, in a true touch to have both forward & inverse structure of the self same method in the same peal. From a practical point of view they are NOT the same method, & some indication as to which variation is to be rung really is neccesary. In harping on the same wearisome string, I've tried (apparently in vain) to suggest that the root of the problem lies in the definition of what are currently termed 'Twin Hunt Methods'.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Eddie Martin.</div></p></div></div></div>